Are We In "The End Of Days"?

Not The End, But The Beginning Of The End...Your Thoughts?

Published on April 25, 2006 By Nadeon In Religion

It's been played through before, but I'm curious what other's observations might be. From subtle to not so subtle changes in everything from global warming to increases in persecutions, locutions, apparitions etc. Are we about there yet? Are the branches growing tender on the old fig tree? Should we start carrying our coats to the roof top? I'm looking for personal impressions, not a sermon or evangelization. Whadda ya think?

Comments (Page 2)

bakerstreet

on Apr 28, 2006

"I don't believe in anything that require faith. That includes deities such as god, satan, santa claus, and tooth fairy."

or hope, or charity, or kindness, or freedom, or liberty, or anything that you have to just believe pays off. After all, who is to say you wouldn't be better off if you were a fascist little prat? You must have some faith, or else you wouldn't risk believing that living a humane life actually meant something.

Winterblade

on Apr 28, 2006

I don't remember for sure why my english teacher said 6-26 will be the "birthdate" of the anti-christ. Something about 26 meaning "two sixes." I guess it's to stop people from guessing the year and killing all babies born on a specific date in a specific year.

As for the whole 12-21-2012 thing, it's not really an end of the world but more of a "major transformation." The Mayan calendar is based on the phases of the moon, which a complete cycle occurs every 28 days. There are 13 cycles a year; 13 * 28 = 364 with the 365th day being a day of rest, celebration, or day to mark between years. There's some sort of significance with 12-21-2012 and the number 13. Google Mayan calendar for more.

Isn't there something about a "final" pope who will be a betrayor?

stubbyfinger

on Apr 29, 2006

The earth is supposed to flip 120degrees on 12/21/2012, at 11am no less.
Proponents of this doomsday prediction believe that this happened 10,000 years ago and the evidence for it has been wrongly interoperated as an Ice Age. I admit finding a flash frozen mammoth in Siberia with tropical buds in their mouth is a bit of puzzle. The whole spiritual awaking and heightened consciousness sounds fun though. For the few that survive anyway
Link

on Apr 29, 2006

Every minute you waste trying to do the math and watch for "signs" is one less minute you have to do something substantial.

Exactly. Much hot air has been expended on this subject.

I just think that this argument doesn't work. I believe in freedom. We are using it right now when we are arguing, and not in least bit worried about "disappearing".

All those you listed works. God? Doesn't work for me. Not only that, he always steal the credit of anything people attribute to him. For example: Bunch of people comes in and saves bigger bunch of people from some kind of bad event, and people says "thank god for this!". After all those humans did the hard work, god gets credit.

cactoblasta

on Apr 29, 2006

I just think that this argument doesn't work.

It does. Belief comes from the same place. Like one of my favourite authors wrote, you have to believe in the little stuff (god, santa, the easter bunny etc) before you can belief in the big stuff like fairness and liberty and freedom. Just like there's no physical proof that there's a god, there's no physical proof that any of those three exist either. They only exist for you because you believe in them.

On the End of Days...

I really doubt we're in the end of days. Even a mediocre student of history could tell you that the signs you see today of 'the end times' have been repeated every few centuries right the way back to the early days of Rome and probably before. I'm sure when the world ends it'll be a surprise to almost everyone. So there's no point worrying about it, and certainly no point hoping you'll get involved in the rapture. It's not your decision and it's a waste of time to waste time thinking about the ineffable plans of God.

KFC Kickin For Christ

on Apr 29, 2006

Since God created it all....he should get the credit....

bakerstreet

on Apr 30, 2006

'I just think that this argument doesn't work. I believe in freedom. We are using it right now when we are arguing, and not in least bit worried about "disappearing".'

Then you obviously believe in things that require faith. Many people throughout the world believe that freedom is overrated, and that it is the cause of many of our ills. They can produce as many or more tangible examples of why that is as you can promoting freedom. You ahve faith that in the face of such evidence, freedom will still play out as superior as mankind evolves socially.

You just differentiate between spiritual and secular faith. As I have said elsewhere, every time we accept any kind of dogma, whether it be spiritual or scientific or political, we do so based upon faith that what is being purported to be true is actually true. Claiming that you don't rely on blind faith ignores the vast majority of the things you believe in, frankly, even if you don't believe in God.

Some would scoff at us for believing in the moon landing when they can present what they feel to be damning evidence that it didn't take place. People "believe" in the supposedly inalienable righst of, say, gay people to marry or women to have abortions. There's no more reason to believe in such "truths" than there is to believe in God, yet one is cool and the other is lame.

stubbyfinger

on Apr 30, 2006

These words are only part time synonyms.

Faith is a stronger form of belief that is not easily challenged and rarely changed.

Belief is more personal experience leading you to think one-way or the other about someone or something and can be easily challenged and is often changed.

I can hope I win the lottery be charitable because It makes me feel better or for a tax write off. But I don’t and can’t know that the money I gave to that homeless person won’t be used to but the drugs that kill them.

Belief is also just your best guess on what to do and how to think.

Ionolast

on Apr 30, 2006

I took a Bible class in school that studied the Old Testament as an account of history. The teacher told us all the clues of when the world would end. I did the math and the answer was 1982. So much for prophecy.

bakerstreet

on Apr 30, 2006

You suck at math too, evidently, iconoclast...

Ionolast

on Apr 30, 2006

You suck at math too, evidently, iconoclast...

Care to elaborate, or are you just being an asshole? I did it two or three times and got the same total every time.

Ionolast

on Apr 30, 2006

You suck at math too, evidently, iconoclast...

Care to elaborate, or are you just being an asshole? I did it two or three times and got the same total every time.

Ionolast

on Apr 30, 2006

You suck at math too, evidently, iconoclast...

Care to elaborate, or are you just being an asshole? I did it two or three times and got the same total every time.

cactoblasta

on Apr 30, 2006

Care to elaborate, or are you just being an asshole? I did it two or three times and got the same total every time.

How did you figure it out? The bible's gone through dozens of revisions since anyone even remotely holy put their hands on it. Words changed/substituted, language (and therefore grammar) shifted and then shifted back again - it's not the same book it was at Nicea. So how could any hidden message still be legible after so long? It's like finding secret messages in the newspaper - statistically any suffciently dense text will contain a series of words you could uncover through the right code. That doesn't make it prophecy.

bakerstreet

on Apr 30, 2006

"Care to elaborate, or are you just being an asshole? I did it two or three times and got the same total every time."

No, just pointing out the silliness of trying to turn one of the most debated books in history into a word problem, and then using your failure as yet another snide jab at religion. Don't hyper-intelligent folks like yourself have anything better to do than critique superstitious peons like us?

...oh, wait, critiquing superstitious peons like us is what MAKES you smart. Sorry, I forgot.

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